Sunday, April 15, 2018

Bob Culver's Son (A County Employee BTW) Arrested For Third DUI While On Probation For DUI

How can someone continue to work for Wicomico County who has now had a third DUI charge? He was already on probation for DUI and just got stopped again for the same. Any other County employee would have been terminated by now, but again Bob covers this up just like cancelling the estate sales when he couldn't pay his taxes.







158 comments:

Anonymous said...

An adult child of a public off official's business is none of the public's business. If you weren't so desperate to find something on Culver, this wouldn't be posted. Stick to the issues and do not involve a candidates family. Your actions are despicible.

Jonathan Taylor said...

9:34 total bs on your part. He is a Wicomico County Employee which makes him a fair target for this negligent behavior. You love Bob so much why not start a I love Bob blog..

Anonymous said...

Hey Jt, the guy over at rec and parks blew the lid off a breathalyzer at 8 am while driving a county truck. What the hell is going on with this drunk bunch? Why in the world do county supervisors think this is ok? These fools aren't just drunk on their own time, they're drunk all the time.

Anonymous said...

ha jt i notice jelly belly joey hardly puts comments up anymore i guess his joetts have left him

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with anybody drinking on their own time but I do have a problem with fools driving up and down the road intoxicated. I also have a problem with my county coworkers showing up drunk in the mornings. My supervisor talks to this fool while he is leaning on his truck - he can't even stand up straight. Everybody knows he is drunk out of his mind but it is all ok. When the shit hits the fan many law suits will be forthcoming. Luke Rommell is licking his chops.

Anonymous said...

Is he allowed to drive County vehicles with this record?

Anonymous said...

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree

Anonymous said...

9:34....looks like Jen has weighed in for the defense of her boss! Culver will probably have him working for you, Jen, at the landfill.....hope "little turd" isn't jealous!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Unless he was driving a County vehicle or his job requires he drive one what grounds do they have to terminate him?

Jonathan Taylor said...

Would you be able to get the job with three dwi's on your record??

Anonymous said...

@ 9:34 AM - You are correct in saying that this is an ADULT child of a public office official, however he also is a Wicomico County Employee, which makes his actions our business. I personally hope they throw the book at him. 3 DUI's??? Are we going to wait for him to kill someone before we hold him responsible.

@ 10:16 AM - I agree... the county supervisors should be doing something about this. But just like with the ADULT child of the County Executive... we'll just sit back and wait until an innocent bystander to get hurt or killed before we do something about it.

Anonymous said...

I will bet you won't see this article on SPEWNEWS....He would have slammed Rick Pollitt if it had happened to one of his family members but not "Ole Buddy Alcoholic Bob"!!!

Anonymous said...

The responsible thing to do, for all parties and the tough love thing for the parent to do would be to terminate.

Let's wait and see if the right thing is done.

Anonymous said...

Moral turpitude, at the least.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
An adult child of a public off official's business is none of the public's business. If you weren't so desperate to find something on Culver, this wouldn't be posted. Stick to the issues and do not involve a candidates family. Your actions are despicible.

April 13, 2018 at 9:34 AM

Thank One Term Bob, now get off the county computer.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...
Hey Jt, the guy over at rec and parks blew the lid off a breathalyzer at 8 am while driving a county truck. What the hell is going on with this drunk bunch? Why in the world do county supervisors think this is ok? These fools aren't just drunk on their own time, they're drunk all the time.

April 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM

When did this happen? Name names, dates and times.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I have no problem with anybody drinking on their own time but I do have a problem with fools driving up and down the road intoxicated. I also have a problem with my county coworkers showing up drunk in the mornings. My supervisor talks to this fool while he is leaning on his truck - he can't even stand up straight. Everybody knows he is drunk out of his mind but it is all ok. When the shit hits the fan many law suits will be forthcoming. Luke Rommell is licking his chops.

April 13, 2018 at 10:27 AM

Who are you talking about?

Anonymous said...

Do you remember when A$$burro used to post all the pictures of Shitsburg getting drunk at the Back Street Grill and hiding his county car behind the build across the street??

Well A$$burro has deleted every single one of those pictures and stories. I'm sure at the request of this drunks father.

Anonymous said...

These are the kind of people that end up killing someone or in some cases a whole family. The guy needs help but not on the taxpayers dime he has had these problems long before he started working for the county.

Anonymous said...

The little kid is a loser with a huge chip on his shoulder, apple does not fall far from the tree....

Anonymous said...

Call over to rec and parks and ask what BAC steve had before they gave him a 30 day vacation at taxpayers expense

Anonymous said...

You can't control your kids actions as an adult. Would you post all county employees who get arrested or charged with traffic violations?

Anonymous said...

All that talk about hate and changing you just couldn't help yourself huh ?

Anonymous said...

Rick Pollitt just robbed you of your tax $$$ and sitting in Backstreet Drunk.

Anonymous said...

He is too busy at the redneck shithole OC bilkarde playing pt fake pool hustler lol.

Anonymous said...

Rat

Anonymous said...

Rat

Jonathan Taylor said...

Not when it comes to people that use other bloggers to attack others for same. Don't like me how about you go #$@@ off

Anonymous said...

Not the NRA dude new we would meet again

Anonymous said...

Knew my bad

Anonymous said...

Why did they hire that Douche Bag TJ Phoney Baloney Maloney?? The Slum Lord Attorney!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Call over to rec and parks and ask what BAC steve had before they gave him a 30 day vacation at taxpayers expense

April 13, 2018 at 12:45 PM

Please give the details instead of dropping these stupid fucking hints. You are anonymous so they don't know who you are you dumb asshole. Tell the story, shit or get off the pot!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
You can't control your kids actions as an adult. Would you post all county employees who get arrested or charged with traffic violations?

April 13, 2018 at 1:43 PM

If we knew about it.

Anonymous said...

316 has to be from parsonsburg to not be able to figure this one out. now go eat another burger big momma

Anonymous said...

T.J. Maloney is the attorney who represented Bob when he was accused of hitting his Mother.

Anonymous said...

Well,we'll I see people are finally seeing and speaking their mind on those that hold a title.Like they said "It's public,he's an adult and whos cares who hes father is!" What makes him different,3rd arrest for the same thing the last two times(come on). If it was anyone else that did exactly what he did they would be still sitting in ja il.They don't have well known daddy or mommy coming to bail them out. Guess what get the same treatment just like those that get arrested any other time.

Anonymous said...

Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, if his DUI affect his county job, HR WILL cover it up for Culver.

Anonymous said...

He is doing so well working for his daddy. I guess the cellar door bar experience didn’t teach him not to play adult games.

Anonymous said...

Eastern Shore people is a bunch of drunks.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Unfortunately, if his DUI affect his county job, HR WILL cover it up for Culver.

April 13, 2018 at 6:58 PM

Don't worry, this is her last year working for this county anyway.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
316 has to be from parsonsburg to not be able to figure this one out. now go eat another burger big momma

April 13, 2018 at 3:59 PM

It's not about 3:16 it's about the rest of the readers.

Anonymous said...

Dickhead Bob is in a tight spot! No money for the teachers means no B.O.E vote for D.B. The only county employees that like him is the sheriffs dept since taxpayers are funding a 20 plus million dollar rest stop for them. Maybe Mike Lewis can sell some of his toys to give the teachers a raise. And last but foremost where in the hell are all the jobs D.B.has promised. I remember the road sign with him and Hogan on it saying we are open for business. What a friggen joke he has been and now in the independent he wants to review the revenue cap since been 18 years. Just another liberal donkeys ass.
And always F.U.B.C.!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anyone who works around Bob Culver has to be drunk to put up with his lying con artist ass.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Dickhead Bob is in a tight spot! No money for the teachers means no B.O.E vote for D.B. The only county employees that like him is the sheriffs dept since taxpayers are funding a 20 plus million dollar rest stop for them. Maybe Mike Lewis can sell some of his toys to give the teachers a raise. And last but foremost where in the hell are all the jobs D.B.has promised. I remember the road sign with him and Hogan on it saying we are open for business. What a friggen joke he has been and now in the independent he wants to review the revenue cap since been 18 years. Just another liberal donkeys ass.
And always F.U.B.C.!!!!!!!!!!

April 13, 2018 at 8:51 PM

Only a LIBTARD would want to do a review of the revenue cap. One Term Bob is a fucking RINO just like One Term Hogan is!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Unfortunately, if his DUI affect his county job, HR WILL cover it up for Culver.

April 13, 2018 at 6:58 PM

Don't worry, this is her last year working for this county anyway.

April 13, 2018 at 8:22 PM

I hope you are correct.

Anonymous said...

Bulls@@@ Quit! Do it!

Anonymous said...

Pretty certain they are all heavy drinkers

Jim said...

If he can make it to work why would he be fired? I can see if he has to drive a county vehicle, that would be taken away and fired if he cant drive personal vehicle for job. But as long as he can get to work and do his job, why should he be fired? If convicted of 3rd DWI I am sure he will get jail time and work release like many others do. He should get at least 90 days if the 3 are close together.

Anonymous said...

You can't spell asshole m

Anonymous said...

STFU.

Anonymous said...

Seeing how MD is an at will work state they can come up with any reason to terminate.

Anonymous said...

Hey there is rumored to be a picture circulating showing abandoned City rental bikes parked outside a Salisbury residence....sources say it's Chris Culver's residence, it is his only mode of transportation now!!! They say Daddy Culver is singing Mayor Day praises for instituting the ride rental program while some little fella is crying the blues...Ha Ha Ha

Anonymous said...

Damn, I don't know which one is uglier? One Term Bob or "This is My Last Job Chris?" Both have those signature Snouts.

Anonymous said...

Nothing will happen to this drunk. He will keep his job at the county and continue to drink - and I would imagine on or off the job. I know of 1 county dept. who has no problem with coming in intoxicated and drinking while on the clock. Things are not going to turn out well for supervisors.

Anonymous said...

That place is nothing but a gay bar

Anonymous said...

You are the problem with society. Calling someone a “rat” when they hold someone accountable for their own actions. No one made them drink and drive. They deserve to be outed and publicly shamed

Anonymous said...

He should be fired because he is an insurance risk to the county. He operates county vehicles. If he is in an accident and has residual alcohol in his system, the county will pay dearly. That affects each and every tax payer.

Anonymous said...

You see it was the State Police who locked his pansy ass up. The Sheriff’s Department or City Police would have covered it up. MSP don’t fuck around.

Anonymous said...

I know Bob likes to drink vodka. I wonder what junior's drink of choice is?

Anonymous said...

It will be interesting to see were the case is tried. The states attorneys office and the local court system depends on Culvers office for funding.

Anonymous said...

I like a few rum and cokes before starting my day off at owens branch

Anonymous said...

Wicomico County has had a long policy of don't ask don't tell. If you are shit faced when you show up for work, don't tell anybody and all is good.

Anonymous said...

JT,

The numerous comments to this post make crystal clear that your CORE audience wants real "lower eastern shore news" like this, not just another ration of junk and fake news plus absurd attacks on Jake Day and John Cannon and other council members like on Assboro's blog.

PS -- more stuff about Bob Culver and his clan please.

Anonymous said...

Jonathan,

Please cover this important matter like a fly on _hit, because his past record is deplorable. Who were those judges that let him off completely? Please let us know.

There's a prelim hearing next week on April 18 and trial set for May 7. Please be there at both and report as soon as possible if that happens again and what if any punishment he gets this time.

Anonymous said...

Hey JT ! This is good shit man! I did not know the the parks director Steve blew the lid off a breath test? I did not even know he consumed alcohol but I guess after Wilbur and CULVER P.A. [PROFESSIONAL ASSHOLES] made the civic center a watering hole it was just to much temptation for him to resist.

Anonymous said...

Wonder why Assberro took down his last attack post on Lewis. Could it be that fat Parker got jammed up tipping off Joe?

Anonymous said...

When you get your 3rd D.U.I. when working for Wicomico county the H.R.lady who looks like Sarah Palin and is smokin hot presents you with a 4% salary modification along with a gold plated beer mug from the bankrupt Cellar Door restaurant and bar on the downtown plaza.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
JT,

The numerous comments to this post make crystal clear that your CORE audience wants real "lower eastern shore news" like this, not just another ration of junk and fake news plus absurd attacks on Jake Day and John Cannon and other council members like on Assboro's blog.

PS -- more stuff about Bob Culver and his clan please.

April 14, 2018 at 12:32 PM

Agreed except keep up the heat on the wannabe soldier boi Jake Gay.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Nothing will happen to this drunk. He will keep his job at the county and continue to drink - and I would imagine on or off the job. I know of 1 county dept. who has no problem with coming in intoxicated and drinking while on the clock. Things are not going to turn out well for supervisors.

April 14, 2018 at 7:02 AM

Name names you coward. You are anonymous and you are too much of a pussy to name names.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Carl Anderton? I thought he was going to run for County Executive?

Anonymous said...

O.C. Billiards lost a NON-PAYING CUSTOMER.....Chris Culver won't be able to get there unless Daddy takes him or he catches a ride with Jen after work!!!!

Anonymous said...

What's ;) with Culver and the h.r. lady?

Anonymous said...

How dry I am,
But I will lose,
because my dad
drank all the booze!

Anonymous said...

Chris could live with the Alberos and ride back and forth to work with Jen until he gets his L's back. Then he could get rides to the bar at night with Joe.

Anonymous said...

Hey, JT --

Since you don't post new stuff on Sunday, please put this at the top of the stack until Monday.

Thanks in advance

Anonymous said...

dog gone 411 settle down, no need to use foul language. I was just stating a fact, it's been going on for a long long time and everybody in the dept knows about it. Now go back to Golden Corral and pig out you pig. oink oink

Anonymous said...

Scumbag.

Anonymous said...

Joe is to afraid to go out to bars unless he has gangsters with him he is a pussy.

Anonymous said...

Man juice

Anonymous said...

4:31...please don't post that again. I have laughed so hard my right side is hurting.

Anonymous said...

To get a job for the county is pretty simple. You either need a criminal record, be unable to pass a breathalyzer, have had a house foreclosed on, or just be a pure dick.

Anonymous said...

Breaking News!

Bob Culver has reassigned a county employee named Albero to serve as his son's chauffeur.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Taylor,

Kudos for this timely and important information that probably will never appear in the mainstream media and certainly not on the Assboro's blog.

Imagine what Little Joe would be posting if Rick Pollitt has done an op-ed proposing that Wicomico County's tax cap should be reconsidered or if his son had been arrested for another DWI after the first two has been dropped.

Anonymous said...

Affinity for alcohol in excess runs in that family's genes. Like father . . .

Anonymous said...

Nothing about this on the A-hole's blog. Bet it would not be that way if it was John Cannon's child.

Anonymous said...

Mind your business.RAT.

Anonymous said...

Yeah they just lock up friends and family.

Anonymous said...

I don't like these comments, it's gonna be a long day tomorrow. The dickweeds I work for don't have a sense of humor or reality.

Anonymous said...

8p.m. Culvers infatuated with HR lady.

Anonymous said...

Team Culver will be down 1 in the fall

Anonymous said...

1:33 PM said

Kudos for this timely and important information that probably will never appear in the mainstream media and certainly not on the Assboro's blog.

Imagine what Little Joe would be posting if Rick Pollitt has done an op-ed proposing that Wicomico County's tax cap should be reconsidered or if his son had been arrested for another DWI after the first two has been dropped.

JoeHole is spending his time doing cheap shots at Jake Day and Mike Lewis and stuff that tries to promote funding by Culver for the clowns and misfits called Station 13.

Anonymous said...

All the issues in this area that need attention and you focus your attention on a private citizens personal problems, to satisfy a personal vendetta. SHAMEFUL!

Anonymous said...

Agree, shameful! Use your time for important issues. What is this? Give us something good, 4real!

Anonymous said...

My thoughts too!

Anonymous said...

Down you! And we all say, hip hip hooray! Coward or wimp, your choice.

Anonymous said...

Let me guess who this is? Haha

Anonymous said...

What world you from? Everyone confused, father don’t drint.

Anonymous said...

Me too!

Anonymous said...

Look the author of this page is trying to be a good person. Please be nice and not call him these names.

Anonymous said...

Who is Carl?

Anonymous said...

I am so sorry to hear about your story.
1-800-I am-lost may help.

Anonymous said...

I heard some things about you too, wink wink. Hope they both not true.

Anonymous said...

Agree, 8:11 idiot

Anonymous said...

What a joke and fake

Anonymous said...

My guess is you have one

Anonymous said...

Who is Joe?

Anonymous said...

Obviously you do not ask or tell, or is that your story? Names please

Anonymous said...

Milk, moronic comment

Anonymous said...

Or reverse

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
dog gone 411 settle down, no need to use foul language. I was just stating a fact, it's been going on for a long long time and everybody in the dept knows about it. Now go back to Golden Corral and pig out you pig. oink oink

April 15, 2018 at 9:19 AM

I didn't see any foul language, but now that you mentioned it I porked your mom.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Call over to rec and parks and ask what BAC steve had before they gave him a 30 day vacation at taxpayers expense

April 13, 2018 at 12:45 PM

When did this happen? Who did the PBT? Was he driving and got stopped or what?

Anonymous said...

Big Nose Bob's Boi is 32 years old and can't even find a job on his own. Uneducated and unemployed until Daddy Bobbi illegali hired that lazy bum. Had to take a job at the dump. 32 years old and Daddy Bobbi's Boi is working at a fucking dump like a high school drop out. Well, you nose what dey says... Daddy nose bess!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
ha jt i notice jelly belly joey hardly puts comments up anymore i guess his joetts have left him

April 13, 2018 at 10:24 AM

Jelly Belly Joey and the Joettes, now that's a good one. Almost as funny as One Term Bob.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
An adult child of a public off official's business is none of the public's business. If you weren't so desperate to find something on Culver, this wouldn't be posted. Stick to the issues and do not involve a candidates family. Your actions are despicible.

April 13, 2018 at 9:34 AM

Is that you again One Term Bob? What the Hell are you doing on the blogs and 9:34 AM when you should be conducting county business, not playing damage control for that Load you should have shot out the window.

Anonymous said...

No he Won't.

Anonymous said...

well here I am back to work in this hell hole, at least culvers drone hasn't caught up to me and my buddies yet

Anonymous said...

9:34,

This is a double issue that needs a lot of attention. Father and son, both on the Wicomico County payroll.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Culver will have another term because his opponent is no competition.

Anonymous said...

Wicomico County's only hope of employing more people is to build more section 8 housing, hire professional help for those who are getting ready to lose their house, hire addiction specialists for county workers, and get rid of Dave Ryan, Bob Culver and several of his supervisors. And while they're at it get Mackes back. We never lost curtains and chairs while he was upstairs.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Breaking News!

Bob Culver has reassigned a county employee named Albero to serve as his son's chauffeur.

April 15, 2018 at 1:17 PM

What about Jake Day instead of Jen?

Anonymous said...

JT couldn't care less about dabury and crime being covered up by SPD the mayor city council bc it all about keeping clueless SU Parents uneducated in crime in the area all bc of the $$$$$ but he will post 10 15 20 murders that Prove that crime is through the roof in the shit bury but stories about bikes fire zone parking zones drunks on on on.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Mr. Taylor,

Kudos for this timely and important information that probably will never appear in the mainstream media and certainly not on the Assboro's blog.

Imagine what Little Joe would be posting if Rick Pollitt has done an op-ed proposing that Wicomico County's tax cap should be reconsidered or if his son had been arrested for another DWI after the first two has been dropped.

April 15, 2018 at 1:33 PM

I'll second that.

Anonymous said...

Letter worthy of a post:

https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/opinion/readers/2018/04/11/wicomico-county-schools-funds-culver/489569002/

Anonymous said...

Red Solo Cup, I fill you up......theme song for us Delmarvelous Rednecks!!! Chris you just can't drive after your cup is empty!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Jon,

The number of comments to this post prove that your audience is mostly interested in real news about the lower Shore, not junk stuff about here and elsewhere.

Keep up the posts like this about Culver's f-ups, please.

Anonymous said...

Sad, but true:

Anonymous said...
Mr. Culver will have another term because his opponent is no competition.

April 16, 2018 at 7:59 AM

Anonymous said...

304 a m really? you must have been up late whipping your donkey, there is more to life than internet porn. apply for a job at the landfill and move out of mommy's house. she's sick of fixing bologna sandwiches for you and your gay lovers.

Anonymous said...

Bob's got my vote.

Anonymous said...

Bob Culver is a dangerous menace. He still wants to fund the buffoons at Station 13.

Anonymous said...

Free tuition, trying to acquire a contaminated gravel pit, funding a $29,000,000 Sherriffs office, challenging thed rev cap, asking for a raise, no economic growth, funding Station 13, drunk department heads, etc.
Where is the conservative leader this county needs?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Bob Culver is a dangerous menace. He still wants to fund the buffoons at Station 13.

April 16, 2018 at 1:54 PM

And, he's much worse than Rick Pollitt or Jack Heath.

Anonymous said...

Who Rick Pollitt ?

Anonymous said...

Until you need them you ASSHOLE.

Anonymous said...

Joe mamma

Anonymous said...

And the winners for 2017-18 for Dickhead Bobs favorite colon and rectal inspectors goes to Mark Whitelock and David Fitzgerald. It was a close race but both ass kissers finished up Bobs ass at the same time. Shaggy Benji at the dump was a close second only able to extract anus hair instead of the big turd.

Anonymous said...

Your mom.

Anonymous said...

Bob Culver WILL be Re Elected just like Trump WILL so go fuck yourself Snowflakes.

Anonymous said...

JT,

Will you be at the hearing on his charges later this week?

Anonymous said...

And to think Whitelock is being considered for the Executive's office.

Anonymous said...

Bwahahaha!!!! Last time I saw them I noticed they had something in their teeth. Turns out it was shit, from having their head so far up his ass and kissing it all the time. I gave them a toothbrush, floss and some mouthwash. They have no shame.

Anonymous said...

Yup lol.

Anonymous said...

Bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Bob Culver for CE X2.

Anonymous said...

Nope

Anonymous said...

Yup.

Anonymous said...

JT,I am embarrassed to say it but I work for Wicomico County. Here at the Civic Center today I saw 3 trucks from our parks division pull up this morning. What they got accomplished was absolutely next to nothing. There is so much waste it's hard to believe. Most of my coworkers couldn't work in a candy store.

Anonymous said...

The Parsonsburg posse needs to help get those toe rings off big momma. Those feet get nasty at Golden Corral. CLEAN THOSE HOOVES.

Anonymous said...

Whitelock cannot balance his own checkbook with his 7th grade P.H.D.

Anonymous said...

Including you ?

Anonymous said...

6:32 call Stalag 13 flunkies,....this will get them out of the basement in West Ocean City and give them something constructive to do since they are no longer fire department volunteers!

Anonymous said...

Bob doesn’t even make a decision without asking Michelle Ennis first....she’s controlling him like a puppet

Anonymous said...

They’ve done 3 pay studies in the past 3 years and found out that the employees at the Roads division are 20%-30% behind on their salaries....if he wants to keep using them to do his favors he better start paying them more before they leave him with nobody to do his buddies favors!!

Anonymous said...

The only thing Bob cares about is how short Ms Ennis skirt is and how high them pump heels are. Whoa!

Anonymous said...

Why does Culver want to kill the tax cap -- the budget that he has proposed for next year has no tax increase?

Anonymous said...

Bob is doing an outstanding job, no random drug tests, no random alcohol tests, no nothing. Us county employees greatly appreciate him looking the other way, or should I say looking Ennis' way.

Anonymous said...

JT,

Just heard that Culver's proposed budget has $$$$$ for the Station 13 wannabes. Can you find out about that and how much?

Anonymous said...

You guys just wait and see this sheriff palace Lewis is going to have the taxpayers build.I am sure it will include a big ole mirror and audio recorders so someone can look and listen to them self.