Friday, April 1, 2016

Wicomico Civic Center My Thoughts


I am well aware that people look to me for my opinion on things that people are talking about and have had people ask me about the Civic Center and that whole situation . Look it has nothing to do with Bob Culver as to why I haven't talked about it , it just honestly is something that doesn't affect my life in anyway.

I don't drink never have, and can honestly tell you I have been to a handful of events there. I think it is an important place to keep going however because they do offer entertainment to the area. 

The sad truth is when beer and other adult beverages are available you do get more people, not necessarily the right people but bigger numbers of them. 

I have been going to Salisbury Third Friday since it started and I can tell you the times that beer is offered to buy, the crowds are bigger. 

My opinion is it just doesn't matter to me personally so it doesn't really matter what happens with alcohol sales. I as stated do however want the Civic Center to stay relevant for the community , it's just ashamed that beer may be only way to do so


58 comments:

Anonymous said...

Great thoughts JT! I feel basically the same way. We all know when alcohol is allowed at different venues we typically see "some" who can not limit their consumption and become unruly. Hopefully the staff will be trained how to handle such results and the County Sheriffs Department will probably increase patrols at those events. Definitely want to see the WYCC thrive!!!

Anonymous said...

Eh. It won't solve the under-utilization of the WYCC. Look at the number of scheduled events. It's a joke. 5 events scheduled for April, 4 for May.

Anonymous said...

Beer makes most things better.

Anonymous said...

Your totally wrong. It will absolutely will fix it. Many event just wont come to a dry arena, like it or not. We would be able to attract a ml hockey team to the cc. That alone would be a huge economic boost to the entire county, and put the cc in the black on its own. Even if you dont like hockey you should support this, for the good of the community...

Anonymous said...

Another angle that only a fruitcake like me would throw out there BECAUSE IT'S TRUE;this action has created a precedent that will enable an arena to be constructed in the old mall parking lot where it adjoins the Civic Center parking lot.That arena will have the benefit of the existing parking lot plus an additional 10 acres of parking on the north side.Alcohol will be served because that restriction has already been lifted.The interested corporation will host sporting and virtually any type of events that guarantee a large crowd.Smart move Civic Center.

Anonymous said...

It's a terrible facility, with or without alcohol. Sucks for concerts, too small for most events, etc etc.

And if you think alcohol will solve the problem, look at the OC Convention center. They serve there, and it's still criminally under-utilized.

Anonymous said...

We can't even fill seats at Shorebirds. If we can't muster the enthusiasm to go see baseball, what makes anyone think that ML Ice Hockey will do well. Most schools don't even have field hockey anymore. No one here plays hockey. Everyone plays baseball. Everyone plays football. Everyone plays basketball.

I don't even know if there is Minor league basketball, but I think that would be better suited for our area. Not hockey.

Anonymous said...

1118-There is the NBA's d-league. Not really a "minor league" or farm system, though. Rookies/prospects never start out in the d-league, unlike a baseball minor league team. I agree on the hockey opinion, it wouldn't sell around here.

Anonymous said...

the shorebirds packed them in for years until mgt got greedy and priced everything way outta reach for many locals.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Eh. It won't solve the under-utilization of the WYCC. Look at the number of scheduled events. It's a joke. 5 events scheduled for April, 4 for May.

April 1, 2016 at 9:48 AM

It's poor management and Bob Culver is an idiot for appointing someone that isn't qualified to clean the restrooms as their director. I have been to events and seminars all over the country and I can tell you their civic centers or convention centers have something going on every day and I don't mean Happy Timers.

Wicomico Youth & Civic Center. Who in their right mind would sell alcohol at a youth center? Only idiots like Bob Culver and John Cannon. I will not be taking my kids to an event at the civic center and you will see ticket sales go down for their concerts. You should not sell alcohol anywhere underage people will be.

There should be one major concert a month at minimum. There are top acts at the civic center level that they should be seeking out and I don't mean ghetto concerts. That is nothing but trouble especially with alcohol.

Use it as a convention center and bring conventions to the area. They should have put a hotel out in the old mall parking lot when they had a chance. A good manager would make it work.

If they want to sell alcohol then build an new civic center in a new location such as near the Shorebirds Stadium with a hotel on that location. Use the Civic Center as the new Government Office Building and sell their current one to the City for fair market value.

Bob Culver thinks he is the County's savior but he is costing us more money than a so called conservative should. Bob Culver this is putting another nail in your political coffin.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Your totally wrong. It will absolutely will fix it. Many event just wont come to a dry arena, like it or not. We would be able to attract a ml hockey team to the cc. That alone would be a huge economic boost to the entire county, and put the cc in the black on its own. Even if you dont like hockey you should support this, for the good of the community...

April 1, 2016 at 10:44 AM

"It will absolutely will fix it" Are you already drunk?

Can you prove that "many "event" just won't come to a dry arena?" Show me proof that "venues" will not come to a civic center that does not sell beer, wine and Liquor! I bet you can't!

You mention a hockey team at the civic center with alcohol? We are not a hockey loving County so you have lost your mind on that one. We have more people who love baseball and we can't even fill the Shorebirds stadium with beer sales.

You are just a drunk that want alcohol everywhere you go.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
It's a terrible facility, with or without alcohol. Sucks for concerts, too small for most events, etc etc.

And if you think alcohol will solve the problem, look at the OC Convention center. They serve there, and it's still criminally under-utilized.

April 1, 2016 at 11:08 AM

Exactly!! Bob Culver, Paul Wilbur, The Council members that support this and Joe Albero are idiots!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Your totally wrong. It will absolutely will fix it. Many event just wont come to a dry arena, like it or not. We would be able to attract a ml hockey team to the cc. That alone would be a huge economic boost to the entire county, and put the cc in the black on its own. Even if you dont like hockey you should support this, for the good of the community...

April 1, 2016 at 10:44 AM

HOCKEY?? What a Moron! There are not enough people around here that like hockey. Tell the hockey team to build their own civic center! Let it go to Worcester County and be a failure there!

Anonymous said...

Nothing here about the arrest of the former Crisfield police chief???

Anonymous said...

1251-A front row box seat costs $12 at the Shorebirds.

Anonymous said...

Yes the hockey organization would very much prefer alcohol is served at their games because their contracts stipulate they get a percentage of sales but...........You can say you heard it here first a minor league hockey team is NOT coming anywhere near this area and it has (or had) NOT a thing to do with alcohol NOT being served at the civic center. Don't be misled.
Not only that but to even entertain the idea that it would boost the area economically just isn't anywhere near the truth.
FYI-Hockey team, NFL team , etc there isn't ONE civic center, arena, stadium nationwide that operates in the black. None make money and very few if any break even. The idea behind them is the benefit to businesses nearby and it's pretty much proven to not even really help them much.

the truth hurts said...

You call $6 for a ticket and fireworks show outta reach LOL STAY HOME OLE MAN/WOMAN.

the truth hurts said...

Bullshit stay in your basement with your kids we don't need you Liberal.

Anonymous said...

This has to be X girly Ireton and his liberal cupcakes YAWNNNNNNNNNN

Anonymous said...

Gawd that place will be filled wall to wall with drunks, especialy if they serve the liquor.

Anonymous said...

Gawd sit home and play tidaly winks.

Anonymous said...

This is just a head scratcher for me. Culver couldn't even make a go of it downtown with his bar/restaurant, so what makes him think our CC will make money/break even with the sale of alcohol? How much is it going to cost us taxpayers to get the proper equipment in the CC to store the alcohol? What is going to be the start-up cost of doing this?(inventory, etc.) It seems like a really big, big gamble with our tax dollars when our area needs basic maintenance on roads, buildings, etc. How is this going to create good jobs here? Can the average Family afford to support more concerts, events or whatever at the CC? Where is the money going to come from? And, with bigger name acts come bigger ticket prices. Okay, my rant is over. These are some of the questions I hope our council asks before jumping into this.

Anonymous said...

341-Uh, they're not starting a business. They're simply going to let a vendor do all the leg work, and for allowing that specific vendor in, the CC would be getting a % of sales. Same way OC Convention Center does it. Essentially, it's all subcontracted out to a 3rd party, with the vendor(s) paying the costs in order to reap the majority of benefits.

But, like the OC Convention center, it's not going to make a difference.

Anonymous said...

"Uh, they're not starting a business. They're simply going to let a vendor do all the leg work, and for allowing that specific vendor in, the CC would be getting a % of sales. Same way OC Convention Center does it. Essentially, it's all subcontracted out to a 3rd party, with the vendor(s) paying the costs in order to reap the majority of benefits."



No No No No No-This is missing a huge portion of the equation. OC charges a food and beverage tax which goes toward paying off the debt from the convention center expansion. So in other words, even if you never go to the convention center every time you go out to breakfast, lunch or dinner in OC you are paying for the convention center.

Lynn B Parks said...

Some people can't have fun unless their drinking, sad.

Anonymous said...

450-And everyone who pays property taxes in Wicomico pays for the WYCC. If it's never been profitable, who's paying for it? Taxpayers, duh.

Anonymous said...

How about make EVERYONE happy SHUT Down the Civic Center.

Anonymous said...

Alcohol at the civic center + unsupervised inmates = assault and pillage = Large lawsuit against Wicomico County = No Bob Culver.

Sounds like a win win situation to me.

Anonymous said...

"DUH" 8:07! Not just Wicomico Co tax payers but MD tax payers as in The Maryland Stadium Authority.

Anonymous said...

If u take taxpayer $$$ then the county can do what they want so if you want your tax paying $ back close down the Civic center or serve Beer

Gooooooo Culver

Patti Harris said...

My Hubby,Mother and I go to most shows,Country Music concerts and a few of the "oldies" acts. If beer,wine whatever is allowed to be sold at the WYCC We will stop going. Alcohol does not need to be in everything. We enjoy the time spent at WYCC because we do not have to deal with drunks and beer. It has been maybe 20 yrs since we last went to a show/concert where beer was served. Our County also does not need more drunks on the road after a show. KEEP THE ALCOHOL out of the WYCC.

Anonymous said...

Stfu u boring liberal.

Anonymous said...

I watched the WBOC news the night they aired a video out in front of the civic center one night last week on the 7 pm news. What i noticed most during the broadcast was trash was overflowing in the trash cans and there was trash blowing everywhere the camera was filming.Looked pretty unprofessional on there part.I thought they were under new direction and leadership there but it seems to be the same old song and dance i see. Alcohol will not be there savior here. Just as the USSSA is just a 3 week economic boost while the other 49 weeks suffer terribly.

Anonymous said...

I AM A TAXPAYER AND I SAY BEER PLEASE ,KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BOB CULVER.

Anonymous said...

If you can't do without an alcoholic beverage for 2-3 hours, you have a problem. Additionally, I voted for Bob Culver, but I can guarantee you it will be the last time.

Anonymous said...

We only drink at Adult Functions 1/2 Times a month so STOP PISSING on our parade.

Anonymous said...

I've been to that CC once and that was 10 or so yrs ago to see Cats. I didn't even notice they didn't serve alcohol but what I did notice was the sound was terrible. I never considered going back because of that. As far as alcohol is concerned it wouldn't prevent me from going and I may or may not purchase a drink.

Anonymous said...

Bottom line: The county should not be in the "Entertainment Business", period!

Anonymous said...

Worry about your own liberal family TWAT.

Anonymous said...

Actually, get the privilege for alcohol sales for the civic center, turn it over to private industry and have the county as landlord, theirs a saving plan for you....

L Mitchell said...

Trump 2016

Anonymous said...

So you are agreeing with Bob Cannon on this one!

Anonymous said...

Patti Harris said...
My Hubby,Mother and I go to most shows,Country Music concerts and a few of the "oldies" acts. If beer,wine whatever is allowed to be sold at the WYCC We will stop going. Alcohol does not need to be in everything. We enjoy the time spent at WYCC because we do not have to deal with drunks and beer. It has been maybe 20 yrs since we last went to a show/concert where beer was served. Our County also does not need more drunks on the road after a show. KEEP THE ALCOHOL out of the WYCC.

April 2, 2016 at 10:04 AM

I agree Patti Harris you need to go to the County Council meeting on Tuesday night and speak out against it. The meeting starts at 6 PM.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I watched the WBOC news the night they aired a video out in front of the civic center one night last week on the 7 pm news. What i noticed most during the broadcast was trash was overflowing in the trash cans and there was trash blowing everywhere the camera was filming.Looked pretty unprofessional on there part.I thought they were under new direction and leadership there but it seems to be the same old song and dance i see. Alcohol will not be there savior here. Just as the USSSA is just a 3 week economic boost while the other 49 weeks suffer terribly.

April 2, 2016 at 1:44 PM

It's all in the poor leadership of Bob Culver. His department heads are nothing but a disaster. Steve Miller has no experience in running the Youth and Civic Center and Recs and Parks. He was nothing but a lowly grounds keeper for some of the sports. He is a poor leader just like his boss Bob Culver is. That place was bad when Gary Mackes was the leader now it is much worse. I hate that place and our County Executive.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I AM A TAXPAYER AND I SAY BEER PLEASE ,KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK BOB CULVER.

April 2, 2016 at 1:48 PM

You are a very uneducated taxpayer, obviously!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
We can't even fill seats at Shorebirds. If we can't muster the enthusiasm to go see baseball, what makes anyone think that ML Ice Hockey will do well. Most schools don't even have field hockey anymore. No one here plays hockey. Everyone plays baseball. Everyone plays football. Everyone plays basketball.

I don't even know if there is Minor league basketball, but I think that would be better suited for our area. Not hockey.

April 1, 2016 at 11:18 AM

We don't need anymore Ghettoball in this county.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
1251-A front row box seat costs $12 at the Shorebirds.

April 1, 2016 at 1:41 PM

Is that you Chris Bitters?

Um... That's a lot of money for average baseball and a losing team.

The outrageous prices also mean food and drink. Who can afford to feed a family at the Delmarva Shorebirds?? Not many people on the Eastern Shore.

J Ireton said...

Trump Trump trump

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
This is just a head scratcher for me. Culver couldn't even make a go of it downtown with his bar/restaurant, so what makes him think our CC will make money/break even with the sale of alcohol? How much is it going to cost us taxpayers to get the proper equipment in the CC to store the alcohol? What is going to be the start-up cost of doing this?(inventory, etc.) It seems like a really big, big gamble with our tax dollars when our area needs basic maintenance on roads, buildings, etc. How is this going to create good jobs here? Can the average Family afford to support more concerts, events or whatever at the CC? Where is the money going to come from? And, with bigger name acts come bigger ticket prices. Okay, my rant is over. These are some of the questions I hope our council asks before jumping into this.

April 1, 2016 at 3:41 PM

BINGO!!!

And for the record concert tickets are already $50 for concerts.

Anonymous said...

5:16pm Good thoughts about handing the Civic Center over to a private industry, but the only problem is a company/business owner would not buy it because it is a dying business and a big black money hole. Business people want to make money not lose it.

Anonymous said...

Stay home loser.

Anonymous said...

The black thugs and black lives Don't matter crowd can make it there HQ.

Anonymous said...

I agree with 3:41 and 9:46. We speak about crime and not being a Baltimore, but this could become reality. Culver should focus on attracting businesses who supply jobs, repair the infrastructure and build a more positive image of Wicomico county, help clean up Salisbury, it is part of Wicomico County. The CC is going to do any of this. Save it for the a future project.

Anonymous said...

The problem I see with shorebirds is what it cost to buy food and drinks, charge for parking and cost of souvenirs. A family of four this is an expensive cost when area wages are low and cost of living is high. They could pack the stadium but made it almost impossible for families.

Anonymous said...

Remember The Jersey Boys slinging blood out front on ours sidewalk. That drew National News for this area.
If that's the type of publicity this county welcomes, wait until the "good parents" get drunk and street fight. May drawn some International News. But, that is the norm today.

Anonymous said...

There is plenty ofbalcohol at cc events now. its just smuggled in and the county makes no money off it.

Anonymous said...

Not much of a security team, think what else could be smuggled in

Anonymous said...

Bob has said the county should not be in the business of selling alcohol talking about the wicomico liquor stores, but the county sells alcohol at the wine festival, beer festival, pork in the park and now the civic center ....