Tuesday, October 20, 2015

Who Is Blame For Dreamer's Faith Fiasco??


A missing pony, reports of suspicious vehicles seen leaving the area, a reward for information on these mysterious vehicles, and then the baby is found deceased on the grounds she was last seen from and police say no further investigation will take place. What does this mean? who is to blame for this ? Who didn't search thoroughly the grounds before the police were called in? Is the Chincoteague Fire Department to blame? The public deserves answers to this sad story. The pony penning is one of the most popular events in our area, and this year a dark dark cloud has obscured the good and really made people question if this event should even continue since many said Dreamer's Faith was too young to have been taken from his Mom in the first place.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

The fire company is to blame. This is not debatable. We are talking what about an acre total with one very small clump of a few trees and some underbrush. Either she wasn't there for the month and a half that she was missing OR they knew she was there but wanted her death hidden. Who in the hell do THEY think they are fooling OR more importantly who do THEY THINK they will continue to fool. The game is on and I'm ready to play to WIN this war.
Those bastards with the Chincoteague Volunteer Fire company killed that pony and others because of their neglect.
"Saltwater cowboys" are such big men! They want to show off playing big shots on pony swim/penning/auction days but when it comes to taking proper care of the ponies they own they fail miserably.

Anonymous said...

First off, I am from Maryland and am not a resident of Chincoteague, nor am I a firemen.

Not sure why we folks always need to place blame. IMO this was human error involving many. Colt disappears. Someone remembered a white vehicle near the vicinity. Someone says “you think it was stolen?”. Someone says “maybe if a reward is offered ”. None of these someones was trying to cover up anything, in fact they each were trying to find an answer, which happened to be leading in the wrong direction, - because humans do make mistakes.

IMO this has once more stirred the pot of animal rights groups giving the fire company more grief. Give the Firemen the credit they deserve, for the manpower and hours spent, looking out for the ponies all those many years. They are human and humans make mistakes. Humans also learn from their mistakes.

I found the fire company’s explanation in the Daily Times to be creditable and found no usefulness in trying to place blame. This sad situation is an excellent example of “lesson learned”. This will not happen again.

Anonymous said...

Their carnival sucks. Half the stuff not even open and when you inquire they joke about the volunteers off drinking beer.
Why should they actually do any work when they can pimp out ponies from the Chincoteague Volunteer Fire Company Pony Mill? Ask me if I ain't angry!

Anonymous said...

I would like to know if the PD searched the premises? If so, this doesn't speak well at all to their investigatory skills and if not why? If not, were they told by the FC that a through search had been done and if so by whom? If the PD was told the grounds had been searched then it's obvious the PD was lied to. If some in the FC are going to lie once, they will lie again i.e. about the "truck" and the stolen story and they should be investigated by the PD leaving "no stone unturned" because they are filing false info w/the PD.

Anonymous said...

12:15, Blame needs to be placed because The FC was told numerous times she was ill. Their standard answer "we know what we are doing." They were told she was missing for days prior to them admitting this. The answer "all ponies are accounted for".
Days before being last seen she was reported as hardly being able to walk and laying down a lot. She also had diarrhea and has withered away. The pictures are out their for proof.
This was NOT by anyone's stretch of the imagination an error or a mistake. It's a clear cut case of neglect. That filly was dying right in front of people's eyes who were concern enough to go to the FC only to be marginalized and called "radical pony people."
That FC's members are cowards. Not only have they repeatedly failed to address the question of why the filly was denied help, they go so far as to delete comments on their Facebook asking this very question.

Anonymous said...

When I read the story that she had been found on carnival grounds dead the first thing that came to mind was the old saying

Both the Chincoteague FC and the PD are so dumb they couldn't poor piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel.

I mean come on now seriously, that area is so small that is someone were actually looking you would be able to find a missing goldfish.

Anonymous said...

It seems to me that charges should be brought against the fire department for animal neglect and abuse. Who knows how many more pony deaths they are responsible for?

Anonymous said...

"The pony penning is one of the most popular events in our area, and this year a dark dark cloud has obscured the good and really made people question if this event should even continue since many said Dreamer's Faith was too young to have been taken from his Mom in the first place."


I would love to see it discontinued and if not at the very minimum people who participate need to understand that they are enabling a Pony Mill to exist without any oversight. This foal was less than 2 months old when separated from her mother.
When a dam is separated from foul dam has strong urge to mate. Every foal born is dollar signs to that fire company.

Anonymous said...

LOL 12:15 Keep on swallowing that BS they are trying to shovel down people's throats. Yep keep on swallowing it.
They tried to deny she was even missing at first. When it became apparent to them, the questions about where she was weren't going away did they finally admit she was gone and then dreamed up the stolen story. They are LIARS and if any pot is being stirred they have no one else to blame but themselves because they think they are experts and are know it alls. I hope this comes back to bite them in the ass big time because it is well deserved. If you don't want animal rights groups on your ass then don't let animals you own starve, little ones who probably didn't even know how to eat on her own yet and should have been given milk pellets or some other supplement.

Anonymous said...

Possible the thief returned the pony without the knowledge of the Fire Department.

Anonymous said...

JT-If you scroll down the What's happening to the ponies page to Sept 19th you will find a pic of an emaciated Soul Surfer. I believe he was a buyback from last year. Post this pic. He's dead too. Died before Dreamer's Faith.

Anonymous said...

It never made any sense to me. On one hand they claim the ponies are wild and then on the other hand the FD says they own the herd. If they are wild then laws prevent them from being sold. If they are owned by the FD then they are bound by law to take care of them in the same way any other pet owner has to. With these babies being taken away from mom so soon it would be like taking a 4 week old puppy and putting a bowl of dry hard adult dog food in front of it, walking away and hoping it eats. 2 month old foals need a special baby diet but they not even be away from mom until at the very minimum 4 months. I think that's even a bit too soon.
They want to claim ownership when it comes to making money off of them but when it comes to spending money or time on their upkeep and health they then say they are wild.
Most people don't even know it but with an 11 month gestation period a lot of the mares are basically pregnant year round because they take foals away too soon. That in and of itself is very very inhumane.

Anonymous said...

" Anonymous said...

Possible the thief returned the pony without the knowledge of the Fire Department.

October 19, 2015 at 1:59 PM"


This is a really good question and one I have thought long and hard about. I think the answer is no. I think the whole stolen story, the white truck and trailer, the electric car, 2 men seen in pen chasing a pony was all made up. If it came from someone associated w/the fire company then I have to think even more that it was made up.
In their "final" statement on the issue which can be viewed on the fire companies FB page they admit to knowing about a smell and they just glossed over it as dead deer and raccoon have been found before in the area so they never investigated.
I think they would have liked to have HAD people think some thief took a live pony, killed it and brought it back EXCEPT others besides those associated w/the fire company possibly reported the smell so they couldn't use that as an alibi and has to admit she was there the whole time. Read their "final" statement on their Facebook. It's as inadequate, unprofessional and as deplorable as they are.

Anonymous said...

From a DT's article dated July 27th 2015


"If a colt or filly is under two months, Cameron and his staff return the foal to its mother until it can be picked up during the fall roundup."


Dreamer's Faith was born on 6/6 and was separated from her mother on the 31st of July. That made her 56 days old. They are breaking their own rules. Under 2 months is just that, under 2 months. By their own rules (which are wrong to begin with) she should never have left her mother's side. How can anyone trust anything they do. If they try and hide the little things they are doing wrong (like ignoring a foal's real age or saying oh it's just a few days it's okay) they are certainly going to lie about the big things they don't want anyone knowing.

Anonymous said...

Animals are born, animals die... same as humans. Get over yourselves. Blame? Pressing charges? GTFOH.

Anonymous said...

It's so sad. Not for the FD because this was coming but for the family who so unselfishly paid over $7000 to what amounts to nothing more than naming a pony. These people and groups who make these donations should have an expectation that the ponies they bid on and gave back to the FD are receiving the minimum industry standards of care.

bloggerhater1 said...

Nature. A wild animal died. I'm not going to concern myself to terribly much when that happens. Don't get me wrong, I think higher of most animals over most humans.

Anonymous said...

bloggerhater1-This wild animal that died was penned in at the pony compound on the carnival grounds. If you found a fawn would you pen it in without it's mother throw it some hay and hope it eats? If your neighbors complained about the health of the fawn what would you do? If it was turning into skin and bones right before your very eyes what would you do? Add to that the fact that people actually paid $7500 for this filly and re-donated her back to the fire company. Aren't they owed an expectation that she would be cared for in a responsible manner according to accepted industry standards?
Bottom line, Don't you think they have not only a legal but a moral and an ethical responsibility to make sure any ponies they pen in at the compound on the carnival grounds in Chincoteague VA are receiving the level of care as any other pet a person would have, after all don't forget they claim over and over that they own this herd.

Anonymous said...

Right, it would be no different than a wild animal in a zoo. If you saw one who was in obvious distress 4:13 wouldn't you report it to the zoo officials and then expect something to be done. A well respected rescue was so concerned over Faith's health that they offered to take her in and nurse her back to health. This offer was denied. I believe this was the rescue that was searched by LE after the FD dreamed up the stolen story.

Anonymous said...

Now the VFC has put out another statement. Limb fell on filly and it broke her neck. Believe that and you'll believe anything.
What is most "horrid" is that they always have to be patting themselves on the back. I am a supporter of FD's and PD's for the most part but this group seems to have some real insecurity issues and those issues are what led to them dismissing the repeated attempts by those to help this little girl.

" I just wish some of you that have been making the disrespectful comments about us, would take the time to look at just a few of the positive things the C.V.F.C. has done to make this such a great event, and remember one thing, We do not get paid one cent to do what we do. Why would we do something wrong and not get paid for it, when we could do it right and still not get paid anything."

Anonymous said...

12:24 I was told the same thing several years ago there.People were too drunk to man the rides....

Anonymous said...

I've been following this story since day one and it's the attitude of the CVFC that gets me. Instead of deleting comments about the health of the pony, they should have addressed the concerns of those people inquiring. Today after releasing another statement, they still ignore this part of the problem. And you don't dare say anything because you will get attacked by a mob of obsessed rabid fire company groupies.
I can understand them being upset over criticism of the CVFC but I also don't appreciate the way the people upset over the pony's condition were treated by the CVFC and groupies. There is a site who thinks it's clever to make fun of a lady who lent the FC a pony to use as a brood mare. When the lady wanted her back because she was getting old and looked to be in poor health they ignored all her requests and then took the pony away to die! This is NO was to treat this lady and if that FC condones people making fun of her then that FC and the people associated with it aren't worth a damn.

Anonymous said...

Sounds to me like a bunch of whack jobs live in Chincoteague. Someone raising a concern and the groupies some how construe that as being "negative." "Negative" is a favor word of theirs. "Stop being negative", "if you are going to be negative leave" (this directed to the few residents who seem to have some sense)"we don't need this negativity" which really means this bad publicity.
It's no wonder "the radical pony people" are irritated. You can't get a straight answer out of any of the groupies.
Another favorite is if you don't live there you can't "judge" them.
WTH What are they living like 90 years ago or something. People do read and see stories on the internet and news of any kind is instant. Just because they haven't the ability to "judge" something that is not right under their noses doesn't mean others have the same limited abilities.

Anonymous said...

their 990's are posted on Guidestar and I see no expenses listed for the ponies other than feed. I was wondering about vet bills/farrier. Maybe I missed these expenses.

Anonymous said...

What is concerning is that a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine would feel compelled to step outside of his scope of expertise, which is determining a cause of death.
To say a limb fell on the filly and broke her neck and she died immediately, is stepping over into the mechanism of death, which is something law enforcement would conclude after an investigation.
It is hard to believe, that any accurate determination of the cause of death could have been made, due to decomposition.
To conclude that the limb fell on her, causing her neck to break and she died immediately is a guess and not even an educated guess unless there is absolute proof of when the limb fell either by pictures or witness statements.
It does appear more and more as if a cover up is being attempted.

Anonymous said...

"OUR veterinarian" the latest update from the CVFC says. I'm not sure using "our" veterinarian was the smartest option. Who is to say "our" veterinarian's medical judgement isn't being influenced by a contract or whatever agreement/arrangement he has with the CVFC.
While I am not accusing anyone, there is always public perception that should be taking into consideration when dealing with public relation nightmares.

Anonymous said...

I had to shake my head over this comment. Copied from the Chincoteague Volunteer Fire Co Facebook page-

"Amanda Marie I'm guessing the countless years of study and schooling is how the vet can say that the limb broke the pony's neck. Are you a veterinarian?"

I can say unequivocally and without any doubt, in the seemingly "countless years of study and schooling" in veterinarian medicine, that I never learned how to tell WHEN a limb broke off and fell from a tree.

Anonymous said...

The true mystery is that more of this hasn't happened.In any other place that one would call "horse country" it happens all of the time.Given how incidents of this nature are handled elsewhere this was dealt with adequately.It is truly frustrating when all who were interviewed either "didn't no nuttin" or gave a ridiculous account of seeing mysterious and unidentifiable cars in the area.

Anonymous said...

I was critical for many weeks but am now feeling encouraged that the fire co pony committee is willing to work with the groups.